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Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
Surprise surprise.
After the Asian shopkeeper in who's shop doorway Ashley was murdered
retracted his statement at the trial which ID'd the fellow Asian murderers
three of the four of the defendants were found not guilty and the jury
failed to reach a verdict on the fourth.
Here's what he said at the time.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/8658831?source=Evening%20Standard
This clearly racist murder has gone almost totally unreported by the
national media and given very little coverage in the local London area. Did
the BBC report the outcome of the trial? I never saw/heard any report.
There is nothing on the BBC website that I can find.
I had to wait for the weekly local rag to publish before I knew of the
outcome.
They have a website, but have not put this report on it. I wonder why?
http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/content/newham/news/
(Ironically there is a report of another black-on-white murder which
occurred in the borough this last week.)
Will it receive the notoriety of the Steven Lawrence murder and become a
cause celebre for the media? A white English lad from a Barnardo's home
killed by four to seven Asians exiting a mosque.
Will voices be heard demanding a shake-up in the police force from the CRE
and media?
Don't hold your breath.
This crime has already been swept under the table.
The police have refuted the fact it was a racist murder when
the facts plainly show it was. Yet with the recent murder of the gay David
Morley on the south bank, the investigating officer said he would treat the
murder as homophobic unless it was proved conclusively not to be.
What hypocrisy!
We now have institutionalised political correctness. McPherson McPherson
where are you? We need another report.
It is also clearly a cover-up by the local Asian community. The murder in
the middle of the day in an area of nearly 100% Asian population, when the
murder weapon was a ceremonial Islamic dagger from the local mosque, and the
murderer(s) came from the mosque, the major prosecution witnesses were white
passers-by.
What's the message? It seems if your white English living in an inner city
immigrant area, don't expect any protection or justice from the
establishment or even acknowledgement from the media that you exist.
I enclose a report of a witness statement below from the trial describing
the murder for those of you who are unaware of the circumstances.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I saw knife stuck into lad's skull"
A student told a court last week how he watched in horror as a thug in
Islamic dress repeatedly plunged a knife into the skull of a terrified
teenage victim whop was pleading for his life.
S* K*, 19 told the old Bailey how he saw 3 Asian men attacking 16 yo Banardo
boy Ashley Hedger during a frenzied assault in the doorway of a grocery
store in Upton Park.
He described how as desparate Ashley, who died later from multiple stab
wounds tried to escape into the Plashet Road shop the owners told him "we
dont want any trouble here" and prevented him from entering.
As ashley tried to escape through vegetable racks Mr K told how a third man
came from a nearby Islamic Centre and joined in the vicious attack.
Crouched
Mr K said "He was in traditional clothing. The victim was crouched down,
half sitting on the ground with his arms up protecting his head. He was
being attacked from all sides. They were punching and taking it in turns.
The victim was pleading for his life. He was saying 'I've had enough stop
stop'".
Two of the three attackers were in traditional Muslim garb Mr K said and the
third wore a green bomber jacket.
Earlier the court heard how Ashley was killed in a case of mistaken ID after
two of his friends tried to rob defendant Mohammed Alim.
Alim and another boy ran to get reinforcements from the local Mosque, and
Ashley was wrongly pointed out as one of the robbers, the court heard.
As he tried to escape his jacket was ripped off and he was chased into the
shop doorway and murdered, the court heard.
Alim and Amran Siddik, both of Upton Park Road, Forest Gate, aklong with
Raju Rahman, of Penge Rd and Albab Chowdhury of Harold Rd, both Upton Park -
all aged 18 - deny murder on Jan 16 this year.
Local resident Mr K went on " I was asking the attackers to stop and leave
hime alone. He was cowering on the floor. I went to the door of the shop to
ask the occupents fro help." He said he knew the owner and his son whio were
inside with several others.
He said Ashley was directly behind him, half in and half out of the shop
entrance. Mr K added: "He was being dragged out
by his attackers. I saw the man with the whispy beard in traditional dress
reach instide his clothing and deliver very hard quick blows to the head."
Massive
This was the same man, he said, who had torn the victims jacket off earlier.
Mr K said: "He used a massive amount of force. He raised his arm above his
head before he brought it down.
"The victim slumped forward and exhaled all the air in his body. He rolled
onto his back. I saw the handle of the knife sticking from his temple. There
was no blade to be seen, just a wooden handle.
"To the side there was a massive hole where the skin had been split. I
turned to the owner of the shop and said you had better get an ambulance. He
said 'its coming'.
After leaving the scene Mr K said he walked home and cae across one of the
assailants who had been wearing the green bomber jacket.
He said "He was out of breath and panting. I asked him what was that all
about? he said "Fuck knows mate.'
Ashley was found to have four stab wounds. One had penetrated his skull by
more than 6 centimetres. Another had penetrated his left lung, causing it to
collaps, and a third sliced into his heart.
He died the same day in The Royal London Hospital, after heavy internal
bleeding and suffering a heart attack.
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000
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On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>The police have refuted the fact it was a racist murder when
>the facts plainly show it was. Yet with the recent murder of the gay David
>Morley on the south bank, the investigating officer said he would treat the
>murder as homophobic unless it was proved conclusively not to be.
>What hypocrisy!
It looks like it's starting to be standard procedure. When Kriss
Donald was murdered the police and media went into overdrive trying
against all odds to deny and discredit any suggestion there was a
racist element.
Asians have to really go out of their way and make massive efforts
before any crimes they commit against ethnic whites can be grudgingly
considered to be racist. Any crime committed by a white against an
Asian seems to be racist by default.
The PC blindness and hypocrisy is glaring.
Clough
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:37:47 GMT
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:37:47 GMT, Clough wrote:
>On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
>>The police have refuted the fact it was a racist murder when
>>the facts plainly show it was. Yet with the recent murder of the gay David
>>Morley on the south bank, the investigating officer said he would treat the
>>murder as homophobic unless it was proved conclusively not to be.
>
>>What hypocrisy!
>
>It looks like it's starting to be standard procedure. When Kriss
>Donald was murdered the police and media went into overdrive trying
>against all odds to deny and discredit any suggestion there was a
>racist element.
>
>Asians have to really go out of their way and make massive efforts
>before any crimes they commit against ethnic whites can be grudgingly
>considered to be racist. Any crime committed by a white against an
>Asian seems to be racist by default.
>
>The PC blindness and hypocrisy is glaring.
All of which goes to show that the introduction of racial (or any
other kind of) motivation in crime was a bloody stupid thing to do.
A beating is a beating is a beating, whatever the motive.
The only thing which should count is the severity of the beating.
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:51:49 GMT
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:51:49 GMT, irritant@ntlworld.com (Maria) wrote:
>>Asians have to really go out of their way and make massive efforts
>>before any crimes they commit against ethnic whites can be grudgingly
>>considered to be racist. Any crime committed by a white against an
>>Asian seems to be racist by default.
>>The PC blindness and hypocrisy is glaring.
>All of which goes to show that the introduction of racial (or any
>other kind of) motivation in crime was a bloody stupid thing to do.
>A beating is a beating is a beating, whatever the motive.
>The only thing which should count is the severity of the beating.
Exactly. A gang of thugs who beat up and murder someone should be
tried and sentenced just for that.
Trying to introduce a racial motive has lead us into the absurd
situation where race crimes can only be admitted to have been
committed if the perpetrators were whites, and if by some chance it
becomes impossible to cover up or hide the fact that a racial crime
has been committed by members of an ethnic minority, the embarassed
twistings and turnings of the authorities and media in trying to play
this fact down only causes damage to race relations by the obvious and
glaring hypocrisy of what they are doing.
Clough
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:08:26 GMT
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"BigCheese" wrote in message
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> Surprise surprise.
>
> After the Asian shopkeeper in who's shop doorway Ashley was murdered
> retracted his statement at the trial which ID'd the fellow Asian murderers
> three of the four of the defendants were found not guilty and the jury
> failed to reach a verdict on the fourth.
>
> Here's what he said at the time.
>
> http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/8658831?source=Evening%20Standard
>
> This clearly racist murder has gone almost totally unreported by the
> national media and given very little coverage in the local London area.
> Did
> the BBC report the outcome of the trial? I never saw/heard any report.
>
> There is nothing on the BBC >
<snip>
What a contrast to the massive and prolonged coverage given
to the Stephen Lawrence case?
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:14:33 +0000 (UTC)
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"Maria" wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:37:47 GMT, Clough wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
> >
> >The PC blindness and hypocrisy is glaring.
>
> All of which goes to show that the introduction of racial (or any
> other kind of) motivation in crime was a bloody stupid thing to do.
>
> A beating is a beating is a beating, whatever the motive.
> The only thing which should count is the severity of the beating.
Credit where its due. Maria has actually said something sensible.
Don't forget though, this wasn't a beating.
This was murder, in the middle of the day, in a busy area and the guilty
appear to have got off without a flicker from the media or the other
self-rightious.
I very much doubt if this would have been the case had race not been a
factor.
Remember, *you* were making excuses for the lack of coverage being down to
the fact he was stabbed through the skull rather than shot.
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:17:10 -0000
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"Maria" wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:37:47 GMT, Clough wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>>
>>>The police have refuted the fact it was a racist murder when
>>>the facts plainly show it was. Yet with the recent murder of the gay
>>>David
>>>Morley on the south bank, the investigating officer said he would treat
>>>the
>>>murder as homophobic unless it was proved conclusively not to be.
>>
>>>What hypocrisy!
>>
>>It looks like it's starting to be standard procedure. When Kriss
>>Donald was murdered the police and media went into overdrive trying
>>against all odds to deny and discredit any suggestion there was a
>>racist element.
>>
>>Asians have to really go out of their way and make massive efforts
>>before any crimes they commit against ethnic whites can be grudgingly
>>considered to be racist. Any crime committed by a white against an
>>Asian seems to be racist by default.
>>
>>The PC blindness and hypocrisy is glaring.
>
> All of which goes to show that the introduction of racial (or any
> other kind of) motivation in crime was a bloody stupid thing to do.
>
> A beating is a beating is a beating, whatever the motive.
> The only thing which should count is the severity of the beating.
Yep, I'd agree with that.
Cheers LJ.
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:32:13 GMT
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:17:10 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
>"Maria" wrote in message
>news:418cc800.65640191@News.Individual.NET...
>> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:37:47 GMT, Clough wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>> >
>
>> >The PC blindness and hypocrisy is glaring.
>>
>> All of which goes to show that the introduction of racial (or any
>> other kind of) motivation in crime was a bloody stupid thing to do.
>>
>> A beating is a beating is a beating, whatever the motive.
>> The only thing which should count is the severity of the beating.
>
>Credit where its due. Maria has actually said something sensible.
>
>Don't forget though, this wasn't a beating.
Same principle.
>This was murder, in the middle of the day, in a busy area and the guilty
>appear to have got off without a flicker from the media or the other
>self-rightious.
I can barely find any reports about it - I don't know why the local
rag should report it in print but not on the net.
The reports I read say that none of the family of the victim,
witnesses or the police thought it was racially motivated. It sounds
like the shopkeeper was frightened off. If he was one of the
witnesses, perhaps someone didn't want him testifying that it *wasn't*
a racially motivated crime. Maybe it is in someone's interest for us
to remain believing that it is a racially motivated crime.
>I very much doubt if this would have been the case had race not been a
>factor.
I agree.
>Remember, *you* were making excuses for the lack of coverage being down to
>the fact he was stabbed through the skull rather than shot.
I said and still say that stabbings are commonplace and shootings are
not, therefore stabbings don't tend to make the news unless there is
something unique about them.
Here is a report that shows the number of knife crimes in London.
Perhaps you'd better explain what 'excuse' the media uses for not
reporting all of them.
http://www.hendontimes.co.uk/mayorlivingstone/glanews/display.var.532356.0.0.php
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:05:10 GMT
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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:08:26 GMT, Clough wrote:
>On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:51:49 GMT, irritant@ntlworld.com (Maria) wrote:
>
>>>Asians have to really go out of their way and make massive efforts
>>>before any crimes they commit against ethnic whites can be grudgingly
>>>considered to be racist. Any crime committed by a white against an
>>>Asian seems to be racist by default.
>
>>>The PC blindness and hypocrisy is glaring.
>
>>All of which goes to show that the introduction of racial (or any
>>other kind of) motivation in crime was a bloody stupid thing to do.
>
>>A beating is a beating is a beating, whatever the motive.
>>The only thing which should count is the severity of the beating.
>
>Exactly. A gang of thugs who beat up and murder someone should be
>tried and sentenced just for that.
>
>Trying to introduce a racial motive has lead us into the absurd
>situation where race crimes can only be admitted to have been
>committed if the perpetrators were whites, and if by some chance it
>becomes impossible to cover up or hide the fact that a racial crime
>has been committed by members of an ethnic minority, the embarassed
>twistings and turnings of the authorities and media in trying to play
>this fact down only causes damage to race relations by the obvious and
>glaring hypocrisy of what they are doing.
Perhaps the next logical step is for racism to be considered a
defence.
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:06:43 GMT
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On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
>They have a website, but have not put this report on it. I wonder why?
>
>http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/content/newham/news/
>
The initial reports of the crime are not accessible on the site
either.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:Ash9L0g_5GEJ:www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/archived/2004/Wk042004/Newham%2520GluOnw04/ashleymurder(front)1.asp+Roshan+Singh+ashley&hl=en
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:10:30 GMT
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"Maria" wrote in message
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> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
>
> >
> >They have a website, but have not put this report on it. I wonder why?
> >
> >http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/content/newham/news/
> >
>
> The initial reports of the crime are not accessible on the site
> either.
Or of the trial. They haver not put any of it on the site ever (I think) -
even when it has been one of the leading two or three reports in the paper.
I wonder why??
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:53:51 -0000
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On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:53:51 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
>"Maria" wrote in message
>news:418cdb35.70558707@News.Individual.NET...
>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >They have a website, but have not put this report on it. I wonder why?
>> >
>> >http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/content/newham/news/
>> >
>>
>> The initial reports of the crime are not accessible on the site
>> either.
>
>Or of the trial. They haver not put any of it on the site ever (I think) -
The initial report was on the site (which is why it is on Google's
cache) but appears to have been removed.
>even when it has been one of the leading two or three reports in the paper.
>
>I wonder why??
The NF has been sniffing about I gather. Perhaps they think that
censoring the reports will defuse it. They should think again.
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:59:56 GMT
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"Maria" wrote in message
news:418cd2b4.68381027@News.Individual.NET...
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:17:10 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
> >
> >"Maria" wrote in message
> >news:418cc800.65640191@News.Individual.NET...
> >> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:37:47 GMT, Clough wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
> >> >
> >
> >> >The PC blindness and hypocrisy is glaring.
> >>
> >> All of which goes to show that the introduction of racial (or any
> >> other kind of) motivation in crime was a bloody stupid thing to do.
> >>
> >> A beating is a beating is a beating, whatever the motive.
> >> The only thing which should count is the severity of the beating.
> >
> >Credit where its due. Maria has actually said something sensible.
> >
> >Don't forget though, this wasn't a beating.
>
> Same principle.
>
> >This was murder, in the middle of the day, in a busy area and the guilty
> >appear to have got off without a flicker from the media or the other
> >self-rightious.
>
> I can barely find any reports about it - I don't know why the local
> rag should report it in print but not on the net.
> The reports I read say that none of the family of the victim,
> witnesses or the police thought it was racially motivated. It sounds
> like the shopkeeper was frightened off. If he was one of the
> witnesses, perhaps someone didn't want him testifying that it *wasn't*
> a racially motivated crime. Maybe it is in someone's interest for us
> to remain believing that it is a racially motivated crime.
See. You were doing so well. Now you have to do cartwheels to deny the
obvious. Don't you get embarrased by it?
How can you, with any sense of integrity, knowing the gross facts, have the
bare faced cheek to come out with that crap above?
Do you think you're being frightfully clever? Trust me, you're not.
> >I very much doubt if this would have been the case had race not been a
> >factor.
>
> I agree.
>
> >Remember, *you* were making excuses for the lack of coverage being down
to
> >the fact he was stabbed through the skull rather than shot.
>
> I said and still say that stabbings are commonplace and shootings are
> not, therefore stabbings don't tend to make the news unless there is
> something unique about them.
Oh ok.
So theres nothing "unique" about a 16 year old Barnardos boy being stabbed
to death through the skull by an islamic ceremonial dagger, in the middle of
the day, in the middle of a busy high street, by a gang of asian youths
eminating from a mosque - ostensibly because he was white?
Fair enough. Now we know we we stand.
> Here is a report that shows the number of knife crimes in London.
> Perhaps you'd better explain what 'excuse' the media uses for not
> reporting all of them.
>
http://www.hendontimes.co.uk/mayorlivingstone/glanews/display.var.532356.0.0.php
>
I hadn't "better" do anything. The case is made.
You'd "better" explain why you are an apologist twisting and turning rather
than face facts.
There's something Kanute-like about the way you live in denial.
What is your motivation?
Are you a "born again"?
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:05:25 -0000
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On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:05:25 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
>"Maria" wrote in message
>news:418cd2b4.68381027@News.Individual.NET...
>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:17:10 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Maria" wrote in message
>> >news:418cc800.65640191@News.Individual.NET...
>> >> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:37:47 GMT, Clough wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >
>> >> >The PC blindness and hypocrisy is glaring.
>> >>
>> >> All of which goes to show that the introduction of racial (or any
>> >> other kind of) motivation in crime was a bloody stupid thing to do.
>> >>
>> >> A beating is a beating is a beating, whatever the motive.
>> >> The only thing which should count is the severity of the beating.
>> >
>> >Credit where its due. Maria has actually said something sensible.
>> >
>> >Don't forget though, this wasn't a beating.
>>
>> Same principle.
>>
>> >This was murder, in the middle of the day, in a busy area and the guilty
>> >appear to have got off without a flicker from the media or the other
>> >self-rightious.
>>
>> I can barely find any reports about it - I don't know why the local
>> rag should report it in print but not on the net.
>> The reports I read say that none of the family of the victim,
>> witnesses or the police thought it was racially motivated. It sounds
>> like the shopkeeper was frightened off. If he was one of the
>> witnesses, perhaps someone didn't want him testifying that it *wasn't*
>> a racially motivated crime. Maybe it is in someone's interest for us
>> to remain believing that it is a racially motivated crime.
>
>See. You were doing so well. Now you have to do cartwheels to deny the
>obvious. Don't you get embarrased by it?
Please tell us then why the shopkeeper withdrew his evidence. Do you
think that someone warned him off?
>How can you, with any sense of integrity, knowing the gross facts, have the
>bare faced cheek to come out with that crap above?
I don't know any 'gross facts'. You are the one saying that he 'facts'
are not in the public domain.
>Do you think you're being frightfully clever? Trust me, you're not.
I don't know what the f you are on about.
>> >I very much doubt if this would have been the case had race not been a
>> >factor.
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> >Remember, *you* were making excuses for the lack of coverage being down
>to
>> >the fact he was stabbed through the skull rather than shot.
>>
>> I said and still say that stabbings are commonplace and shootings are
>> not, therefore stabbings don't tend to make the news unless there is
>> something unique about them.
>
>Oh ok.
>
>So theres nothing "unique" about a 16 year old Barnardos boy being stabbed
>to death through the skull by an islamic ceremonial dagger, in the middle of
>the day, in the middle of a busy high street, by a gang of asian youths
>eminating from a mosque - ostensibly because he was white?
Which bit do you think is unusual? It might be unusual that he is a
Barnardo's child - I don't even know why this has been highlighted -
who cares and what does it change?
>Fair enough. Now we know we we stand.
I wish!
>> Here is a report that shows the number of knife crimes in London.
>> Perhaps you'd better explain what 'excuse' the media uses for not
>> reporting all of them.
>>
>http://www.hendontimes.co.uk/mayorlivingstone/glanews/display.var.532356.0.0.php
>>
>
>I hadn't "better" do anything. The case is made.
The above report shows how many knife crimes take place in London and
points out that they are largely committed by young men. Many hideous
attacks barely make the headlines. Why don't you ask the BBC and the
Newham Recorder why they haven't reported it? I'm sure people here
would be interested to know. I am interested to know.
>You'd "better" explain why you are an apologist twisting and turning rather
>than face facts.
What the heck do you think I'm 'apologising' for? Where is the
apology? Neither you or I know (unless you know the Sikh guy
personally of course) why he retracted his evidence.
>There's something Kanute-like about the way you live in denial.
What do you think I am denying? That this was a racial attack?
The boy was in a gang who had just mugged the people who killed him.
Why do you think it was racial? Becauset they were different colours?
Two of Ashley Hedgers gang were black.
As far as I know, they decide a crime was racially motivated in the
absence of any other motivation. Here there is other motivation.
That is the problem with the racial motivation issue - it's all in the
mind, and that is why it should be dropped.
>What is your motivation?
Reason.
>Are you a "born again"?
Nope, I ony recall ever being born once.
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:17:47 GMT
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"Maria" wrote in message
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> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:53:51 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
> >
> >"Maria" wrote in message
> >news:418cdb35.70558707@News.Individual.NET...
> >> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >They have a website, but have not put this report on it. I wonder why?
> >> >
> >> >http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/content/newham/news/
> >> >
> >>
> >> The initial reports of the crime are not accessible on the site
> >> either.
> >
> >Or of the trial. They haver not put any of it on the site ever (I
think) -
>
> The initial report was on the site (which is why it is on Google's
> cache) but appears to have been removed.
>
> >even when it has been one of the leading two or three reports in the
paper.
> >
> >I wonder why??
>
> The NF has been sniffing about I gather. Perhaps they think that
> censoring the reports will defuse it. They should think again.
Where did you gather that?
But the genreal censorship has been the main thrust of the several threads I
have started on the subject.
Glad to see that you have (finally) grasped that.
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:39:39 -0000
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
"Maria" wrote in message
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> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:05:25 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
> >
> >"Maria" wrote in message
> >news:418cd2b4.68381027@News.Individual.NET...
> >> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:17:10 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Maria" wrote in message
> >> >news:418cc800.65640191@News.Individual.NET...
> >> >> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:37:47 GMT, Clough
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese"
wrote:
> >> >> >
> >See. You were doing so well. Now you have to do cartwheels to deny the
> >obvious. Don't you get embarrased by it?
>
> Please tell us then why the shopkeeper withdrew his evidence. Do you
> think that someone warned him off?
At last !!! Well done!!! You finally worked that out. Remarkable!!!
> >How can you, with any sense of integrity, knowing the gross facts, have
the
> >bare faced cheek to come out with that crap above?
>
> I don't know any 'gross facts'. You are the one saying that he 'facts'
> are not in the public domain.
>
> >Do you think you're being frightfully clever? Trust me, you're not.
>
> I don't know what the f you are on about.
Try this:
> It sounds
> like the shopkeeper was frightened off. If he was one of the
> witnesses, perhaps someone didn't want him testifying that it *wasn't*
> a racially motivated crime. Maybe it is in someone's interest for us
> to remain believing that it is a racially motivated crime.
So, you raise the fantasy that now it's a "right-wing" conspiricy.
And your not trying to be smart?
> Which bit do you think is unusual? It might be unusual that he is a
> Barnardo's child - I don't even know why this has been highlighted -
> who cares and what does it change?
I can't keep repeating every point every time. You have posted to the
threads on this subject.
You will have to try harder. I can't keep spoon-feeding as it becomes
tiresome.
The point he is a Barnardos boy is apposite as he has no obvious media
friendly and/or influencial adovcates to stand up for him to ensure his case
is brought to the publics attention and to prevent his murder being swept
under the carpet by the vested interests. I suggested during the trial that
it would be - and it has.
> >You'd "better" explain why you are an apologist twisting and turning
rather
> >than face facts.
>
> What the heck do you think I'm 'apologising' for? Where is the
> apology? Neither you or I know (unless you know the Sikh guy
> personally of course) why he retracted his evidence.
What difference does his religion make? Why mention it?
Are all Singhs guaranteed Sikhs? Is he a practising Sikh or has he lapsed?
> >There's something Kanute-like about the way you live in denial.
>
> What do you think I am denying? That this was a racial attack?
> The boy was in a gang who had just mugged the people who killed him.
How do you know? (unless you know the gang members personally of course).
In any case, now we have the Liberal Mafia tactic of guilt by association.
Shameful, as you have lost the argument you are lashing out wildly.
A vicious smear. How despicable.
> Why do you think it was racial? Becauset they were different colours?
> Two of Ashley Hedgers gang were black.
What gang? All the reports. All the reports. All the reports say he wasn't
anything to do with the youths who tried to mug the Asian. He may have known
them and they got off a bus at the same time. He was walking away when the
others approached the Asians. I don't think this fact was challenged in
court.
*Even* if he was. *Even* if he did mug the two asians - which he didn't.
They run to the mosque. He walked away alone. They came out, chased him beat
him
murdered him. Not a spontaneous action of defence. A deliberate murder.
You mention the gang/mugging as justifying his murder. You are a disgrace.
> As far as I know, they decide a crime was racially motivated in the
> absence of any other motivation.
No they don't. Something else you don't know.
> That is the problem with the racial motivation issue - it's all in the
> mind, and that is why it should be dropped.
>
> >What is your motivation?
>
> Reason.
Dream on. You are a prejudiced bigot.
> >Are you a "born again"?
>
> Nope, I ony recall ever being born once.
Well, now you remember being born. There's no end to your talents is there?
Apart from the ability to reason objectively.
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:14:35 -0000
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
Ted wrote:
> What a contrast to the massive and prolonged coverage given
> to the Stephen Lawrence case?
Actually, this seems to be roughly the same situation. The Stephen Lawrence
case would have been ignored without the massive long-term campaign by the
Voice, picked up by the Daily Mail.
The outcome seems to be depressingly similar though.
Mike Hall
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:20:33 GMT
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:39:39 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>But the genreal censorship has been the main thrust of the several threads I
>have started on the subject.
>Glad to see that you have (finally) grasped that.
THe original newspaper report is still in the Google cache, where it
says that:
"BUS passengers may hold vital clues to catch the killers of
Barnardo's boy Ashley Hedger who was stabbed to death in broad
daylight in Upton Park.
But police fear the potential witnesses may be "too scared by cultural
differences" to talk to them about the 16-year-old white boy's death
at the hands of a group of Asian youths."
http://tinyurl.com/556zo
Clough
Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:16:13 GMT
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
"Clough" wrote in message
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> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:39:39 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
> >But the genreal censorship has been the main thrust of the several
threads I
> >have started on the subject.
>
> >Glad to see that you have (finally) grasped that.
>
> THe original newspaper report is still in the Google cache, where it
> says that:
>
>
> "BUS passengers may hold vital clues to catch the killers of
> Barnardo's boy Ashley Hedger who was stabbed to death in broad
> daylight in Upton Park.
> But police fear the potential witnesses may be "too scared by cultural
> differences" to talk to them about the 16-year-old white boy's death
> at the hands of a group of Asian youths."
"too scared by cultural differences"
WTF does that mean?
It must be PC speak to excuse cowardice and prejudice.
Both bizarre and frighting isn't it?
And this is the atmosphere "we" must live in.
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:44:14 -0000
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
"BigCheese" wrote in message
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>
> "Maria" wrote in message
> news:418cd2b4.68381027@News.Individual.NET...
>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:17:10 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Maria" wrote in message
>> >news:418cc800.65640191@News.Individual.NET...
>> >> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:37:47 GMT, Clough wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >
>> >> >The PC blindness and hypocrisy is glaring.
>> >>
>> >> All of which goes to show that the introduction of racial (or any
>> >> other kind of) motivation in crime was a bloody stupid thing to do.
>> >>
>> >> A beating is a beating is a beating, whatever the motive.
>> >> The only thing which should count is the severity of the beating.
>> >
>> >Credit where its due. Maria has actually said something sensible.
>> >
>> >Don't forget though, this wasn't a beating.
>>
>> Same principle.
>>
>> >This was murder, in the middle of the day, in a busy area and the guilty
>> >appear to have got off without a flicker from the media or the other
>> >self-rightious.
>>
>> I can barely find any reports about it - I don't know why the local
>> rag should report it in print but not on the net.
>> The reports I read say that none of the family of the victim,
>> witnesses or the police thought it was racially motivated. It sounds
>> like the shopkeeper was frightened off. If he was one of the
>> witnesses, perhaps someone didn't want him testifying that it *wasn't*
>> a racially motivated crime. Maybe it is in someone's interest for us
>> to remain believing that it is a racially motivated crime.
>
> See. You were doing so well. Now you have to do cartwheels to deny the
> obvious. Don't you get embarrased by it?
> How can you, with any sense of integrity, knowing the gross facts, have
> the
> bare faced cheek to come out with that crap above?
>
> Do you think you're being frightfully clever? Trust me, you're not.
>
>> >I very much doubt if this would have been the case had race not been a
>> >factor.
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> >Remember, *you* were making excuses for the lack of coverage being down
> to
>> >the fact he was stabbed through the skull rather than shot.
>>
>> I said and still say that stabbings are commonplace and shootings are
>> not, therefore stabbings don't tend to make the news unless there is
>> something unique about them.
>
> Oh ok.
>
> So theres nothing "unique" about a 16 year old Barnardos boy being stabbed
> to death through the skull by an islamic ceremonial dagger, in the middle
> of
> the day, in the middle of a busy high street, by a gang of asian youths
> eminating from a mosque - ostensibly because he was white?
>
> Fair enough. Now we know we we stand.
>
>> Here is a report that shows the number of knife crimes in London.
>> Perhaps you'd better explain what 'excuse' the media uses for not
>> reporting all of them.
>>
> http://www.hendontimes.co.uk/mayorlivingstone/glanews/display.var.532356.0.0.php
>>
>
> I hadn't "better" do anything. The case is made.
>
> You'd "better" explain why you are an apologist twisting and turning
> rather
> than face facts.
>
> There's something Kanute-like about the way you live in denial.
>
> What is your motivation?
>
> Are you a "born again"?
>
An Asian taxi driver was brutally murdered here in Oldham some time ago. It
did not reach the national media, as he was stabbed.
A white man was killed by Asians shortly after the riots and this was
reported. There are stabbings every week here, usually by gangs of Asian
youths - but we only have gangs of Asian youths now. Hence, it isn't
reported even on the local BBC television.
I think the media does try to self censor a little - if only because there
will often be a backlash and what does that achieve?
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:24:51 +0000 (UTC)
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"Schrodinger" wrote in message
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> "BigCheese" wrote in message
> news:418ce835$0$15428$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> >
> > "Maria" wrote in message
> > news:418cd2b4.68381027@News.Individual.NET...
> >> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:17:10 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Maria" wrote in message
> >> >news:418cc800.65640191@News.Individual.NET...
> >> >> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:37:47 GMT, Clough
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:09:11 -0000, "BigCheese"
wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >
> An Asian taxi driver was brutally murdered here in Oldham some time ago.
It
> did not reach the national media, as he was stabbed.
>
> A white man was killed by Asians shortly after the riots and this was
> reported. There are stabbings every week here, usually by gangs of Asian
> youths - but we only have gangs of Asian youths now. Hence, it isn't
> reported even on the local BBC television.
And around here. Note the murder I mentioned earlier in the thread which
occured this week.
But any honest broker would agree the circumstances of the Ashley Hedger
murder and acquittal *are* particularly noteworthy.
> I think the media does try to self censor a little - if only because there
> will often be a backlash and what does that achieve?
Depends what you mean by "a little". I think it's rife.
Anyway, surely censorship is bad whatever the reason.
All the liberal numpty preaching and skewed perspective - notably in this
NG - where do they get it from if not the media?
Certainly not real life.
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:10:30 -0000
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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:17:47 GMT, irritant@ntlworld.com (Maria) wrote:
>The boy was in a gang who had just mugged the people who killed him.
>Why do you think it was racial? Becauset they were different colours?
>Two of Ashley Hedgers gang were black.
>As far as I know, they decide a crime was racially motivated in the
>absence of any other motivation. Here there is other motivation.
>That is the problem with the racial motivation issue - it's all in the
>mind, and that is why it should be dropped.
Unfortunately, this is the basic truth that KnobCheese is terrified of
acknowledging, because it doesn't suit his bigotted agenda.
--
Nick Cooper
[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]
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Date:Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:14:24 GMT
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"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message news:418e3d2d.1530168@news.virgin.net...
> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:17:47 GMT, irritant@ntlworld.com (Maria) wrote:
>
> >That is the problem with the racial motivation issue - it's all in the
> >mind, and that is why it should be dropped.
>
> Unfortunately, this is the basic truth that KnobCheese is terrified of
> acknowledging, because it doesn't suit his bigotted agenda.
Oh right.
So the holocaust was all in the mind of the Jews Eh?
Nice one.
BTW Whats this penis obsession about?
Something you wish to confess?
Or is Nick short for Nicola?
Date:Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:41:39 -0000
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:41:39 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
>"Nick Cooper" wrote in
>message news:418e3d2d.1530168@news.virgin.net...
>> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:17:47 GMT, irritant@ntlworld.com (Maria) wrote:
>>
>> >That is the problem with the racial motivation issue - it's all in the
>> >mind, and that is why it should be dropped.
>>
>> Unfortunately, this is the basic truth that KnobCheese is terrified of
>> acknowledging, because it doesn't suit his bigotted agenda.
>
>Oh right.
>
>So the holocaust was all in the mind of the Jews Eh?
>
>Nice one.
What, like you removing half of Maria's comments that I was acreeing
with, viz:
>>>The boy was in a gang who had just mugged the people who killed him.
>>>Why do you think it was racial? Becauset they were different colours?
>>>Two of Ashley Hedgers gang were black.
>>>As far as I know, they decide a crime was racially motivated in the
>>>absence of any other motivation. Here there is other motivation.
I wonder if it has ever occured to you and the other ultra-right scum
that had they not made such a fuss about this case, they probably
wouldn't have muddied the waters and caused everyone involved to
retreat into their own "corner," and a conviction may well have been
secured? But then, I expect it suits their agenda that what actually
happened did happen, so they can continue to used Hedger's corpse as a
banner for their "cause."
>BTW Whats this penis obsession about?
>
>Something you wish to confess?
>
>Or is Nick short for Nicola?
Nope, just taking the piss out of the name chosen by another
annonymous coward who is too scared to use their real one.
--
Nick Cooper
[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
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http://www.thingstocome.org.uk
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Flanders; Simon the Cat of 'HMS Amethyst':
http://www.nickcooper.org.uk
Date:Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:52:47 GMT
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"Nick Cooper" wrote in
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> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:41:39 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
> >
> >"Nick Cooper" wrote in
> >message news:418e3d2d.1530168@news.virgin.net...
> >> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:17:47 GMT, irritant@ntlworld.com (Maria) wrote:
> >>
> >> >That is the problem with the racial motivation issue - it's all in the
> >> >mind, and that is why it should be dropped.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, this is the basic truth that KnobCheese is terrified of
> >> acknowledging, because it doesn't suit his bigotted agenda.
> >
> >Oh right.
> >
> >So the holocaust was all in the mind of the Jews Eh?
> >
> >Nice one.
>
> What, like you removing half of Maria's comments that I was acreeing
> with, viz:
You're funny.
Cupid stunt.
Paranoia or what?
It's commonplace to snip previous posts.
Big boys can look at the original if they want.
Your childish antics are just that.
Silly boy.
> >>>The boy was in a gang who had just mugged the people who killed him.
> >>>Why do you think it was racial? Becauset they were different colours?
> >>>Two of Ashley Hedgers gang were black.
> >>>As far as I know, they decide a crime was racially motivated in the
> >>>absence of any other motivation. Here there is other motivation.
>
> I wonder if it has ever occured to you and the other ultra-right scum
> that had they not made such a fuss about this case, they probably
> wouldn't have muddied the waters and caused everyone involved to
> retreat into their own "corner," and a conviction may well have been
> secured? But then, I expect it suits their agenda that what actually
> happened did happen, so they can continue to used Hedger's corpse as a
> banner for their "cause."
More paranoia rather than facing facts.
Clearly, you have absolutely no argument to present except a conspiricy
theory for the under fives.
Irrational dibble is all you can muster
You really are quite ludicrous.
> >BTW Whats this penis obsession about?
> >
> >Something you wish to confess?
> >
> >Or is Nick short for Nicola?
>
> Nope, just taking the piss out of the name chosen by another
> annonymous coward who is too scared to use their real one.
Oooohhh, are you out to get me Nicola?
Another Anti-Nazi fascist are we?
Jackboot in the face of anyone who steps out of line.
Surprise surprise!
BTW "Nicola Cooper" retains your anonimity. If you feel it honourable to ID
yourself, please tag each of your posts with your address and phone number.
Date:Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:48:24 -0000
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:48:24 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
[snip the usual shite]
Time for you to got and have your dinner, sonny - your mummy is
calling you.
--
Nick Cooper
[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]
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Lost in France (& Belgium) - Two weeks in Normandy, the Somme &
Flanders; Simon the Cat of 'HMS Amethyst':
http://www.nickcooper.org.uk
Date:Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:02:03 GMT
Author:
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
"Nick Cooper" wrote in
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> On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:48:24 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
>
> [snip the usual shite]
>
> Time for you to got and have your dinner, sonny - your mummy is
> calling you.
> --
I think everyone can see you reached the end of the line.
You vacuous adolescent turd.
Date:Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:16:04 -0000
Author:
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Re: Ashley Hedgers Racist Murderers Acquitted
"BigCheese" wrote in message news:<418e7474$0$10510$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>...
> "Nick Cooper" wrote in
> message news:419070e2.8377361@news.virgin.net...
> > On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:48:24 -0000, "BigCheese" wrote:
> >
> > [snip the usual shite]
> >
> > Time for you to got and have your dinner, sonny - your mummy is
> > calling you.
> > --
>
> I think everyone can see you reached the end of the line.
>
> You vacuous adolescent turd.
Ladies and Gentlemen, a round of applause, please, for The Great Debater!
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